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October 30, 2006

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Peter

Richard Carey

I actually agree with Melanie Phillips on a number of issues, especially her analysis of the problem of islam in western societies.

But I think she would accept herself that she is well to the right of the political spectrum in the UK.

Richard Carey

Peter,

I doubt that she would. I'm sure she sees herself as a true Liberal, as her essay on "the corruption of liberalism" indicates.

As for political spectrum, the three main parties provide nothing wide enough to be called a spectrum.

Fanny

The Troll trolled:

"NEITHER are caused by man ..."

Yes, I suppose woman is to blame again eh?

Does anybody who's trying to deny that global warning isn't a fact EVER think of the future? I mean really think about it? In fifty years' time will your grandchildren be asking:

"Mum, what did Grandpa and Nan do about global warning?"

"Er, fuck all, my dear. That's why the world's the way it is. And why are you wearing your sister's ventilator? What happened to your own?"

My grandchildren on the other hand will be remembering the good fight Fanny fought, in her own little way.

[Fanny searches for the smugness smiley.]

Peter

According to Nasa, the world climate has warmed by 0.6 degrees celsius in the last 30 years.

"The study by researchers from Nasa, Columbia University and the University of California at Santa Barbara (UCSB), showed that warming was greatest at high latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere, and was more pronounced over land than the oceans.

The reason behind the rise in temperatures in this region was a result of a loss in snow and ice cover, the researchers said.

As the Earth warmed, melting snow and ice exposed dark land surfaces which absorbed more energy from the Sun, resulting in more warming - a process known as "positive feedback".

But hey, there's NOTHING to worry about, right? Obviously Nasa has joined the conspiracy. LOL!

daytripper

The number one cause of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere are volcainoes the number 2 is saltwater evaporation NEITHER are caused by man and NEITHER can be cured by raising taxes

yes and those are natural emmissions. its the unnatural emmisions that are tipping the balance. try adding too much water to a pot plant and see what happens.

notme

daytripper: "yes and those are natural emmissions. its the unnatural emmisions that are tipping the balance. try adding too much water to a pot plant and see what happens"

Hahahaha! That's rich... are you actually claiming that not only are the emissions quantifiable, but the "tipping point" is quantifiable? You must be kidding.

You will say anything.

Allan@Aberdeen

Peter wrote:
"The overall tax take stays the same. As polluting behaviour decreases in response to price signals, taxes are gradually increased on the remaining polluters."

I must ask Peter;
1. How old are you?
2. Do you really believe that what you have written will ever be implemented by politicians?

Frank O'Dwyer

mahons,

I think the topic has such political baggage that each side ignores the actual discussion and offers competing articles as scripture

No, there is an asymmetry which is much like the one we find in discussions about evolution and for that matter mortality in Iraq. Indeed many of the people who deny there is a man-made contribution to GW are the same people who are sure they didn't come from no monkey, and that only one person has died in Iraq (of old age).

It is all the denial of the basic facts that distracts from discussion of what to do about it. Such denial is not from both sides, it is one way traffic. Having said that I think it is pretty clear that we are in for climactic mayhem one way or another, but I think it's a lot less clear that reducing emissions would help or even which policies would best result in reduced emissions etc.

Richard Carey

Frank,

"It is all the denial of the basic facts that distracts from discussion of what to do about it. Such denial is not from both sides, it is one way traffic"

I hope you realise the "other side" says the same thing!

Frank O'Dwyer

Richard, of course. But I don't think any reasonable person could read the various arguments with an open mind and fail to notice that one "side" has the facts in their corner and the other one has Michael Crichton.

Richard Carey

Yep, they say that as well!

Peter

Frank, great link posted at 11.23. Of course, the deniers won't read it.

I posted a similar link to a Royal Society paper last week. Might as well have written a letter to santa. These guys minds are made up FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

Garfield

If global warming does turn out to be true, I await DV's apology to all with interest.

Allan@Aberdeen

Should (man-made) 'global warming denial' be a criminal offence?

GrassyNoel

What's absolutely hilarious about right-wing conservatives is how they line out shoulder to shoulder no matter what the issue, and the sheer ridiculous hypocrisy of the points they argue.

Take for instance that Mark Steyn article of a few days ago that provided the focus for another thread, about how we are all expected to get worried about Steyn's predictions for future levels of Muslim populations worldwide and how ill this bodes for all of us by the late 21st century, i.e. we should all be preparing to fight hand-to hand for our very survival against a global jihad by fundamentalist Islamofacists (or something).Funnily enough, here the right-wingers are projecting a disaster scenario 40-50 years hence and telling us if we don't start doing something about it RIGHT NOW, we will all soon perish in the most horrible fashion.

So according to Steyn and his ilk, i.e. the likes of Vance & McCann, THIS is the global emergency that we should all be concerned about, even though the most basic grasp of statistical analysis and scientific theory will tell you that this is utter horseshit. And as for trying to reverse the effects of global warming, that can be put on the long finger for another few decades, or better yet, forgotten about altohgether,because that's not really a problem, it's only a left-wing conspiracy in order to win support for raising taxes.

What total, utter and complete nonsensical rubbish.

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