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October 17, 2006

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Serf

Seeing as the USA population is partly growing due to "the huddled masses" moving from less wealthy places, would the greens prefer that Mexicans live in abject poverty rather than move to the USA?

Stupid me, of course they do.

Peter

I'm surprised that neo-cons are trumpeting the US population rise when they know that a huge factor in it is all those illegal spics breeding like rabbits.

It's as much a result of the abject failure of Uncle Sam to control his borders as it is to economic success. At this rate the USA will be a hispanic state before the end of this century. Hasta la vista baby!

Peter

DV posted:

"Never mind that the alleged science behind this report's claims is speculative junk - this is a matter of intense FAITH for true green believers."

LOL!

The evidence for man-caused global warming is sacking up, not just year by year, but month by month. The UK has just had yet another record-breaking summer. And the ice-caps continue to melt, and at an increasing rate.

Jeff

Not entirely a bad outcome though...

http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,1924074,00.html

:)

David Vance

Peter,

And the fast breeding Muslim masses have a plan for Europe. Allahu Akhbar.

Peter T

There has been a very interesting paper on global warming from the Danes (more details on Envirospin Watch and Greenie Watch) which apparently relates cosmic ray activity to our weather. Apparently it is the Sun what did it1

Ernest Young

Peter,

You say the 'ice-caps' are melting, from what I can see and read, it is only the Arctic ice-cap melting, the Antarctic cap is actually growing in area.

In which case the melting Artic cap could be attributed to the increasing, and normal tilt of the Earth presenting the Arctic cap more predominantly to the Sun's rays.

Taking it a step further, the increase in the Antartic cap will increase the weight of the Souhern Hemisphere, and will eventually reverse the Earth tilt. All of which is quite natural and has hapened many times before.

Simple science explains the difference between True North and Magnetic North, which in turn defines the increase/decrease in the Earth's tilt.

Peter

It would be so convenient for the global warming deniers to believe that the earth's tilt or the sun is causing the climate to warm (at least most of them now accept that we are on a warming curve).

However, its simply not true that the antarctica ice area is expanding as the arctic ice contracts. In fact the antarctic has warmed by 2 degrees celsius in the past 50 years, which is twice the golobal average.

Richard Carey

Peter,

"global warming deniers"?

Totalitarian smear tactics

Peter

Richard,

Do you deny that global warming is happening, or do you deny that man is contributing to global warming, or is it both?

In either case, what label would you prefer?

As to totalitarian smear tactics, I refer you to the title of this thread which smears environmentalists as fascists. Pot and kettle?

Peter T

According to my reading the Antartic is actually cooling apart from the Antartic Peninsula which is warming. Cooling in the McMurdo dry Valleys between 1966 and 2000 has been in the order of 0.7 degrees C and sattelite measurements of atmosheric temperatures have shown no warming over the last 25 years. These findings, reported in Nature and Science, do indicate that the debate is far from over and that many questions remain to be answered.

We cannot, as yet, regard computer modelling as a substitute for hard science. Nor can we dismiss those who disagree with the general consensus as 'deniers' whose opinions are not worth considering.

Mike's America

"Spics" Peter without the "T"???

You do you still use the "N" word too?

Environmentalism is the only state sponsored and endorsed religion in the United States, directly contrary to our Constitution.

As a former officer at the US Environmental Protection Agency in Washington, I monitored grant funding for all EPA programs. Much of it was good work doing research, doing regulatory oversight or cleaning up toxic waste sites. But a sizeable portion of the Agency's grant dollars went to fund dubious public awareness campaigns by environmental activist organizations.

It amounted to nothing more than a state subsidy for the global warming fascists whose real aim is the transformation of society to a socialist model.

Ernest Young

Mike,

Peter is an 'honest to goodness' type of fella, he believes in calling a spade, a spade!

ch in tx

One writer here called many of these so called enviros "watermelons", green on the outside but red on the inside.

Peter

"...global warming fascists whose real aim is the transformation of society to a socialist model."

LOL! Don't know about your side of the pond, but most environmentalists on this side are respectable middle class folk who worry about the future of their granchildren, pay their dues to various environmental NGOs and would greatly resent being called socialists.

Smearing your opponents is so much easier than engaging in debate, donchathink?

mahons

To quote Kermit the Frog: It isn't easy being Green.

I think charges like fascism are best leveled at actual facists rather than those whom one disagrees with politically. Otherwise you dilute the word.

I think we can denounce excessive political environmentalists without having to stick our heads in the sand as to serious environmental issues that the world is facing.

daytripper

Smearing your opponents is so much easier than engaging in debate, donchathink?

thats all mike does. he's good at it too. stuck in a cold-war mindlock, he is still convinced that everything in opposition to hiw own political outlook is part of a global communist plot.

I think we can denounce excessive political environmentalists without having to stick our heads in the sand as to serious environmental issues that the world is facing.

well said. and to all those who think environmentalism is anti-business obviously have little faith in the western economic model.

but then it is hard to keep that faith when you read things like this.

Mike's America

Well Peter, you and Dateraper can call other human being "spics" or use the "N" word if you want. No one on my side of the aisle would.

Perhaps when you have as much experience with the environmental movement as I have, at the highest level of government, then maybe we can discuss whether the movement is just a bunch of grandmothers concerned for their family or rabid socialists out to hoodwink people into adopting a socialist model for government.

Of course it's a dead giveaway when an unreformed America hating red-lover like Dateraper starts blathering about the cold war.... Missing the good old days are you?

mahons

Mike: Your blog profile indicates thta you were at the EPA for four years. Since you are claiming experience at the highest level of government may I ask in what capacity? It doesn't seem to be as a scientist.
I am an American-loving, Communist hating individual so maybe I am someone you could address the issues without undue rancor.

Peter

Well Mike, you just go on smearing all of us environmentalists as the new commies. Obviously, it fits comfortably with your world view. Now that the cold war's over, you need new hate figures, right?

Of course, we could call you a far-right, rabid, oil-head, Dixie red-neck but that would be stooping to your level of debate.

aileen

Peter you forgot the obscenities ;0)

daytripper

Well Peter, you and Dateraper can call other human being "spics" or use the "N" word if you want. No one on my side of the aisle would.

im not going to rise to that. other than to say; people in glasshouses yada yada

daytripper

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macaca_(slur)

is the link, doesnt seem to work for me.

SBK

Peter

There's no point debating environmental issues on here. I've tried it and got nowhere even though i presented facts and strong evidence. As far as some people are concerned everything is just peachy with the environment. They'll be dead by the time the effects are really serious (if we continue on our current path that is) so maybe that's why they don't give a fuck.

Peter

SBK, I think you're right. As Al Gore said "An Inconvenient Truth", so inconvenient that some will claim that black is white in their attempts to deny the obvious and continue with their unsustainable lifestyles.

But I'm loath to give up, especially when I see total nonsense posted about global warming, such as that Antarctica isn't warming, when it has warmed by 2 degrees celsius in the last 50 years and 87% of its glaciers are in retreat.

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