September 29, 2006


Tom Tyler

Unbelievable. And I noticed that the judge did not even urge the police to take any action against those little brats, but instead urged the council to help the victim move from the area! As if to say "there's nothing you can do, or should do, about their behaviour, except move away".
We are dhimmified as a nation in more ways than one.


This must be the most blatant form of police and state Political Correctness.

It is little wonder that society has so little faith in the police and the judicial system. When this woman and her family are terrorised by these bullies and thugs, and when this woman finally snaps and slaps three of her tormenters. She is faced with the full force of the state in the form of police and courts.

The next thing we can expect in this country is rape victims will be asked to pay for the DNA tests to catch the perpetrators of her rape?

Get labour out and a party in that will deal with these scum!

The Phantom

I get very angry, reading this.

Rise up and retake your country. This is injustice.


But who will do anything about it? The Tories? With their 'Dave' and Tree? The Libs who don't believe in prison? Mainstream party politics seems to be more and more nothing but a talking shop.


That is truly a sad story. Is that the whole story? I can't believe she would get that kind of a sentence.


If there isn't more to this story (and I've no particular reason to think there is), then it is an indictment indeed.

Ernest Young

I wonder just how 'these people' become so out of touch with everyday life. Do they not have any social contact with anyone in their communities? if they do, then one can only assume that they are like minded folk who fully agree with these dimwits...God help us all!


Aileen - I just wonder if this woman had some prior convictions because I can't believe an incident of this nature would lead to such a sentence in and of itself. If she had some prior conviction and this was a violation of some sort of parole that might explain the sentence.



I know what you mean and there may be more to it. Maybe we are being fair or maybe we just can't bear to believe that it is as we are hearing.


It does seem so sad that people have to live like this. I lived in New Orleans a decade ago and we used to comment that so many people had bars on the windows of their homes and the criminals who deserved to be behind bars were often not.

Tom Tyler

See, this is part of what I'm getting at re this whole "human rights" malarkey. S*d their rights, the little bleeders who were terrorising that woman deserve a right good caning. I'd have whacked them so hard they wouldn't know what month it was, regardless of the consequences. Teach the ignorant chav-scums a lesson in discipline. Until we get back to a society where you are allowed to defend your own property as you see fit, and the moment anyone tresspasses thereon they lose all their "rights", then we're off to hell in a handbasket.


"and the moment anyone tresspasses thereon they lose all their "rights""

ALL their rights Tom? and why rights in quotes. What right did they not have before they tresspassed or does your view of rights mean that you lose then retrospectively?


If a gang on teenagers trespass on my property, "who threw bottles and bricks at her windows, sat in her garden late into the night playing loud music, threatened to burn her house down and burgle it...", I would shoot their asses. I am pretty damn sure that I would be able to assert self defense in that situation.

Richard Carey


It must be difficult for an American to believe this kind of crazy verdict, but it does in part explain why Britain has a far higher crime rate than America, except for murder as I understand it.

Richard Carey


"What right did they not have before they tresspassed[]?"

As Monica points out, the right not to get their asses shot.

Frank O'Dwyer


it does in part explain why Britain has a far higher crime rate than America


Meanwhile America retains the dubious distinction of having the highest incarceration rate on earth. That means that it imprisons a greater proportion of its citizens than anywhere else you care to mention - more than Russia, more than China, more than any dictatorship.

David Vance


So, the US imprisons more felons than anywhere else you care to mention. And the problem with that is.....?



read what I asked Tom again. I askedn him what rights did they NOT have before. His use of quotes made me wonder if he thought that they didn't have real rights even before.

Tom Tyler

They didn't ever have the right to park their protoplasm in her garden. They didn't ever have the right to throw bottles/bricks at her windows. They didn't ever have the right to threaten her. They never had those rights in any sense.


So, the US imprisons more felons than anywhere else you care to mention. And the problem with that is.....?

im sure the privatised prison system has nothing to do with it. Prisoners are a revenue generating asset and crime is therefore a commodity. I wonder how many people are lobbying for these private jails, trying to get lesser crimes a jailable offense.

The Phantom


I don't have the source, but I have heard that the UK has a burglary rate that is more than twice as high as that of the US.

Anecdotally, just about everyone I know in the UK (or Ireland ) who lives in a city has a burglar alarm system, and a number of them have had their houses broken into nonetheless.

But here in supposedly dangerous NYC, I do not have an alarm on my home or car, nor do many of my friends, and it has been twenty years since I've heard of someone's house being burgled.

The US --does-- have a vastly higher murder and (I think) violent crime rate. Which is nothing to be proud of.

But robberies, burglaries, auto thefts--and the antisocial behavior described in this post-- are not small crimes. And those who commit such crimes should be sent to prison every time, and sent away for a long time upon a second offense. I don't think that happens in England.

The UK has plenty to teach the US as respects many things, but the NYPD has a lot to teach you about crimefighting. Our justice system, bad as it is, is better than what I see in this post.

The only acceptable rate of such crimes is zero. It can never be reached, but if that is your goal, then you're always moving in the right direction.

The situation described above simply does not have to be.

Somebody, stand up. Lead.


We need some kind of "Provocation Act", where individuals who react to provocation in these kind of domestic cases cannot be prosecuted unless those provoking them are also prosecuted at the same time.


I agree with almost everything Phantom has said, particularly about learning from the NYPD, the transformation of New York from one of the USA's most dangerous city to one of the safest is extraordinary. I don't think there is any chance of London following New York's path whilst Livingstone is in charge but other cities in the UK should look at it.

Frank O'Dwyer


the transformation of New York from one of the USA's most dangerous city to one of the safest is extraordinary.

It certainly is, but it remains controversial as to which factors were really responsible for it happening.

The Phantom


Actually, its not. There's a liberal/left attempt to rewrite history by stating that crime really didn't get down, or that it went down a lot, but it went down everywhere else to, or that it went down because of an abortion caused deficit of angry young males, etc.

Its all bullshit, and noone who has lived through the past twenty five years in NYC believes it, but it is great fun.

Crime remains very high in Newark ( about 8 miles away ), in many other places too.

Why did crime go down so much? Lots of cops, working hard, using very effective methods, with stringent accountability, and complete political support from the Mayor's office. It is not rocket science. It happened here, and it absolutely would work in hot spots in England, Ireland, or anywhere else.

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