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March 12, 2006

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felix quigley

David

It is noticeable to me that the issue of the UN which you introduced has been deflected by these apologists for Islamofascism, because that is what it is really about, and their deflection from Croatian fascism as well.

Your post was dead right about the UN.

These folks here get so pent up with bad emotions that they lose track of what is actually happening in the real world.

Which is that the UN appears to have actually murdered their prisoner Milosevic.

At any rate they have a huge case to argue. I find that Monica and Troll in their hatred for the UN are far closer to me than these republican neoleftists!

The first comment on my article on Israpundit drew attention to the developing situation (which your site's Islamofascist loving sluggards cannot contend with) like this:

"The latest “news” from the Hague (the Duch toxichologist Donald Uges who examined him) is that Milosevich himself administered the “medicines” that finally killed him. Someone appears to unaware that he was locked up in a cell, surrounded by “suicide guards”.
I think time has come to look for people who might have a strong motif for seing him dead. Among them are first of all Carla Del Ponte, but I guess also US, EU and NATO leaders made a sigh of relief when he died.
Comment by Per — March 13, 2006 @ 8:20 am "

I will repeat and bow out of this discussion because I have pressing material to write (however let the Islamofascist lovers continue the insults in my absence) the comment I added on Israpundit:

These issues are not over, they are only beginning:
1. How did Milosevic die? Was he poisoned by an interfering antibiotic
2. As Per suggests this must have been administered by somebody connected with the Court
3 The Srebrenica massacre was not a massacre at all and everything about it has the closest possible connection to the “massacre” in Jenin and earlier in Deir Yassin. Jewes cannmot sit this one out as the parallels are too clear.
4 What exactly is the nature of this Hague court?
My reading is that it was set up directly by NATO and that NATO paid the bills.
This leaves NATO the UN and EU working together in order to stitch up the Serb leadership for “massacres” which never happened.
5 We are facing global enemies and a global struggle. My Irish struggle is your Jewish struggle and all is inseparable from the experiences in Yugoslavia.
I want to partially correct something I said above where I was critical of Milosevic as a Stalinist type bureaucrat. This is correct to a point. But I have also written elsewhere that Yugoslavia was dangerous to NATO and to the US, the EU and UN because it had always kept a certain distance from the Soviet Stalinist bureacrascy.
I still am critical of Milosevic in certain respects but the real enemy was the US State Department, the EU and the UN. Also in the Hague Milosevic has conducted a valiant struggle against this iniquitous Hague regime of lies.
All the above enemies, the US, EU and the UN are also the enemies of the Jews and Israel.
That is why this issue is NOT over!
Comment by Felix Quigley — March 14, 2006 @ 5:36 am

Peter

For the record, details of the SREBRENICA MASSACCRE can be found here:

http://www.gendercide.org/case_srebrenica.html

And here:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/cryfromthegrave/

And here:
http://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/srebrenica/srebrenica.html

"the massacre of approximately 8,000 Muslim men and boys, and the torture, rape, and killing of many women and children, which occured from July 12 through July 18, in and near the UN declared "safe area" of Srebrenica. The massacre was carried out after the commander of the UNPROFOR (United Nations Protection Force), General Bertrand Janvier, refused to carry out UNPROFOR's mandate to defend the Safe Area and handed it over to Serbian army General Ratko Mladic."

For those with eyes to see. (Apologists for genocide specifically excepted.)

Peter

Quigley posted:
"Also in the Hague Milosevic has conducted a valiant struggle against this iniquitous Hague regime of lies.
All the above enemies, the US, EU and the UN are also the enemies of the Jews and Israel."

No doubt we'll hear more of the same demented crap when the genocidists Mladic and Karadic are finally hauled before the wicked Hague Trinunal and made to account for their war crimes.

daytripper

if speculation is the name of the game felix, let me speculate that perhaps milosevic managed to get hold of the "leprosy drug", which was known to interfere with his heart medication. he then took it, with the hope that it might just get him a ticket to russia for specialist surgery, and while there he could lobby the russians to delay or prevent his return.

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the reason for the confusion and scepticism about international justice is because its a completely new form of law. it treads new water on a daily basis, and the only real motive for stopping this court from continuing is because many people around the world dont want to see an established process of international law. why? because it could be them next, and after sucessful trials of the likes of milosovic it would only get easier as the processes became more defined.

Colm

Felix

Firstly you did in your first thread here appeal specifically to the Protestant people in the north to investigate the events in the former Yugoslavia , i just found it baffling why Protestants should be singled out.

Secondly the idea that the Srebrinica massacre did not happen is as ludicrous as saying the Holocaust did not happen. I cannot believe you can be in such denial. Is it because somehow you think that Muslims anywhere must never be seen as victims becuase that would, however tenuously be seen as siding against Israel's enemies .

You cannot possibly deny that Milosevic sought to ethnically cleanse land in the former Yugoslavia in a deliberate and partisan sectarian pro Serb policy which resulted in huge suffering and victimisation of other ethnic groups. I have no doubt that Serbs suffered too as the ethnic tensions erupted in that poor land , but the Muslims of Bosnia really were victims and it is utterly shameful to deny so.

Peter

Colm, you're wasting your time debating with this bigoted fool. His denial of the Srebrinica massacre is a real giveaway of his extremist agenda. In Quigley world, the Muslims are ALWAYS the bad guys, even when they're being slaughtered in camps.

Ross

Felix Quigley has been posting the same sort of thing here-
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2006/03/11/let_the_conspiracymongering_begin.php

Another commenter's response is worth reprinting here-

{Hey, Felix, you did invite us all to read and comment on your article and I paid you the compliment of wasting two minutes of my life on your "thoughts". I honestly believed it was a spoof (after all, it was posted just below an article claiming the entire Iranian Islamist leadership has converted to Tantric Buddhism), but a little googling disabused me. For instance, this article of yours with its astounding claim:

"And the speed that everything moved at. The theatre of the Racak Massacre fraud one day! George Bush declaring war on Serbia the next! The choreography of all of this inside Yugoslavia was amazing!"

Yes, George Bush declared war on Serbia in 1999. Another little-known fact the US and the EU proganda machines have succeeded in concealing from a gullible public. I can't compete with Balkans expertise like that, although I can offer the advice that it's probably better not to derive your world-view from the writings of Francisco Gil-White and Jared Israel.}

Felix Quigley

Well, you poor stupid fools.

Nopbody can say I did not try. I have asked you and I have given you every chance to produce some evidence that when the Serbs retook Srebrenica that they carried out a massacre of Muslims.

Not one jot of evidence has been produced.

From the very stupid indeed Peter there is this:

"And here:
http://www.haverford.edu/relg/sells/srebrenica/srebrenica.html

"the massacre of approximately 8,000 Muslim men and boys, and the torture, rape, and killing of many women and children, which occured from July 12 through July 18, in and near the UN declared "safe area" of Srebrenica. The massacre was carried out after the commander of the UNPROFOR (United Nations Protection Force), General Bertrand Janvier, refused to carry out UNPROFOR's mandate to defend the Safe Area and handed it over to Serbian army General Ratko Mladic."

And what, stupid stupid "Peter", whoever you are, like to tell us who you are, does that prove.

You are really so stupid. That simply tells us there was a massacre by the Serbs.

Even you with such a tiny intelligence should grasp that this is just an assertion.

So it is proof now by assertion! You have produced no evidence!

not too difficult to grasp now is it.

Felix Quigley

Colm

I think I will work my way backwards through this "dunghill" of contributions.

Ah Colm, never too hard to deal with you.

Your contributions are hardly the most weighty on this site.

Anyway Colm you write

"Secondly the idea that the Srebrinica massacre did not happen is as ludicrous as saying the Holocaust did not happen. I cannot believe you can be in such denial".

Well Colm let me say it as clearly as I can

The Srebrenica massacre is a fake

The Holocaust of 6 million Jews (along with homosexuals, Romany and a very large number of Serbs by the Nazis is all too real)

Colm I cannot really believe that you are so stupid that you canno0t see the difference or even that you would introduce the idea of the Holocaust here.

Colm

Felix

What do you expect him to do. Turn up outside your door with the bodies ?

If the Srebrenica massacre had been invented , don't you think it would have been exposed as such by now.

Now I know you will reply by saying Peter (and others) should link to other websites to prove their case , but that is a meaningless cop out. The WWW has millions of sites on it. Anyone can link to sites that 'proves' any argument they hold.

Many people believe Elvis Presley is still alive - and there are loads of websites which 'prove' it, just like sites which 'prove' Srebrenica was a hoax. Both suppositions have the same credibility.

Felix Quigley

Daytripper

You write

"if speculation is the name of the game felix, let me speculate that perhaps milosevic managed to get hold of the "leprosy drug", which was known to interfere with his heart medication. he then took it, with the hope that it might just get him a ticket to russia for specialist surgery, and while there he could lobby the russians to delay or prevent his return."

Dayfripper

he was a prisoner. remember. Under 24 hour suicide guard watch. Think technology Dayfripper. Think the mioney and resources of the UN and NATO

But you really miss the point.

The point was that Milosevic had a serious health problem. Russia gave full assurances to the Hague Court. Russia even if you dislike Russia is still a sovereign state and a very powerful state.

No wonder the Russians are very upset and now will believe nothing about the Hague Court and the UN.

You get it dayfripper. This is a BIG issue. There will be implications.

Remember Milosevic is dead but the UN is in considerable crisis over this.

Felix Quigley

Ross

Ah Ross. Who are you really I wonder! Any second name!

I have been off the internet all afternoon so I will go right back.

The writing above by you earlier on Ross must rank as one of the most bizarre that has ever hit the web. Yes the one above about Neil Armstrong and the moon. Quite funny too.

The only problem is that I do not see any of this stuff as in any way funny. I would be far happier to be happily retired and playing golf somewhere and looking forward to the 19th hole. This stuff to me is not something I feel like joking about!

So I will remind Ross what this is about.

It now looks certain that Milosevic has been poisoned and indeed murdered in the court of the UN so David’s post above is becoming more believable by the hour.

Ross may act the idiot but some of us are clever enough to read his game.

Ross the “massacre” at Srebrenica is not the same as the moon. The former is disputed, the latter is not.

Got that Ross. The Srebrenica massacre is disputed.

There have been other fake “massacres” such as Deir Yassin and Jenin all to serve a reactionary political purpose. So if you claim a massacre happened at Srebrenica then you should be prepared to provide the evidence. You do not. You make a joke of the whole issue.

That is why you are a big-mouth and a pro-NATO and pro-Islamist reactionary.

If you prove a massacre happened there I will apologise.

Felix Quigley

Ross

On another level what has the research on 9-11 by www.tenc.net got to do with the research on Yugoslavia.

The research on both may be wrong. The research on both may be correct. The research on one may be correct and on the other may be wrong.

In other words surely if we are talking about Srebrenica you have to take the research by www.tenc.net as it comes. No?

Why not study the research and then come back on that.

You seem to be expending a lot of energy looking up Pollard.

Or perhaps you are a pro-Islamist who knows that what www.tenc.net has researched on Srebrenica cannot be answered by you!

Anyway it is a free world, why not refute the tenc research on Srebrenica and we will all gain!

Colm

Felix

Maybe my contributions are not the weightiest on this site, but at least I am not engaging in the shameful deceit that you have been on this thread. You go and tell the thousands of grieving relatives who lost their sons and husbands at Srebrinica "Stop crying It's all a fake . They're not really dead" . The bodies were dug up and counted and reburied or was that all just a media excercise to fool the world.

For pities sake Felix. Just becuase Muslims are the main enemy of Israel doesn't mean you have to blind yourself to the possibility and reality that they can have been victims in other conflicts.

daytripper

or current ones.

Felix Quigley

Colm

You make me laugh

You are a real amateur in this situation.

I need some evidence Colm that 8000 Muslims were massacred by the Serbs, and when you say the following:

"The bodies were dug up and counted and reburied or was that all just a media excercise to fool the world."

I ask how many were dug up.

Hoe many were identified.

When did these bodies "die". There was a war on remember, IN THAT AREA. Both sides were shooting at each other remember.

Your stupid and emotional outburst just proves well...that you are emotional and stupid.

Cool down Colm.

Get the evidence for the massacre.

But I haven't finished with Ross who in my opinion is the most cyunical of you lot...

Ross

What would you consider evidence?

There are testimonies from survivors.
There are confessions from perpetrators.
Some of the mass graves have been discovered.
The Bosnian Serb government admits it.
The Serbian government admits to.

What else do you need?

Also you still have not explained how Izetbegovic is an islamofascist.

Felix Quigley

So Ross I read again what you wrote

You dismiss what I say about Jenin. That a massacre was claimed there by the Palestinian Jew haters and by the Israeli hating UN.

Can you throw any light on Jenin? You use your big mouth to sneer at what I said. So tell us what happened in Jenin in your opinion. That may advance the discussion.

Lets put that big mouth to the test.

Tell us about jenin Ross

Felix Quigley

Ross

I have to come back on re reading your post because yours is easily the most cynical

You pose 5 steps which you accuse me of

1- Accuse everyone you don't like of being a fascist.
(When? Precose times please?)
2- Tie everything back to Israel so you can also accuse them of being anti-semites.
(accuse them…who and when?)
3- Make up wild conspiracy theories in which everyone you don't like is involved. It is best to back these up with links to lunatic websites, these have a lot of credibility and are easily more authoritive than courts of law.
(What conspiracy theory have I made up. Again be precise?)
4- When Challenged go back to step 2.
(When?)
5- Once you realise that you look ridiculous start telling people how stupid they are.
(In what way and on what issue have I looked ridiculous?)

Without giving some precise answers here all this amounts to is character assasination. In other words using your anonymity and your big mouth to attack somebody through innuendo.

So some precision in what you are talking about will advance things.

Remember we are still discussing the so-called “massacre” by the Serbs at Srebrenica.

Maybe you cannot prove it and you are stalling.

Remember if you quote “eye-witnesses” I will ask who they are (Lesson again of Jenin)

Felix Quigley

Ross

I have found you one of the most cynical characters I have met so I have reread your "funny" stuff about the moon.

So...Ross

Do not even try to come the funny man with me. I have too much at stake. For one thing I write under my full and authentic name and I am committed to the truth no matter what.

OK then I will treat you like a child!


Ross, we see the moon and we know that the moon exists because we see it. Neil Armstrong and others went to the Moon not to find out if the moon exists but to find out more about the Moon. It was a great scientific endeavour.

That the Serbs in capturing Srebrenica murdered 8000 Muslims we do not know. We were told that by the media who were already hostile to the Serbs and who relied on Muslim statements.

But the same media and the same UN had told us that the Jews had massacred over 1000 Palestinian Arabs at Jenin. That was false.

Why not false in Srebrenica.

Why believe the UN and the Media? Surely it should be investigated by you before you accept the massacre story.

Tell me then about your investigations.


Madradin Ruad

Folks - I suggest you let Felix ramble on to himself. He's obviously both mad and bad.

Ross

"You dismiss what I say about Jenin."

I didn't mention Jenin let alone dismiss it. I don't see how a crude hoax that was exposed as such within days compares to Srebrenica, unless the logic is that because some muslims in Jenin lied about a massacre, no massacre anywhere can possibly have taken place. It is like saying that because people have been accused of murders they didn't commit it must mean that Harold Shipman was innocent.

Felix Quigley

Ross Colm et al (al means the other really stupid and ignorant people on this thread)

One of the problems of arguing with people who just do not like the truth is that they resist research. There is much detailed research on Srebrenica. The human spirit does not like a lie.

Let me just touch on a tiny extract and give you the url for the context:

The is from The Times and concerns this figure of 8000 in the “massacre”.

On August 2, 1995, The Times of London published the following:

• "Thousands of the "missing" Bosnian Muslim soldiers from Srebrenica who have been at the centre of reports of possible mass executions by the Serbs, are believed to be safe to the northeast of Tuzla. Monitoring the safe escape of Muslim soldiers and civilians from (...) Srebrenica and Zepa has proved a nightmare for the United Nations and the International Committee of the Red Cross. For the first time yesterday, however, the Red Cross in Geneva said it had heard from sources in Bosnia that up to 2,000 Bosnian Government troops were in an area north of Tuzla. They had made their way there from Srebrenica "without their families being informed," a spokesman said, adding that it had not been possible to verify the reports because the Bosnian Government refused to allow the Red Cross into the area.10
The Washington Post explains: "The men set off at dawn on Tuesday, July 11, in two columns that stretched back seven or eight miles."11

(AS YOU WILL SEE IN THE FULL ARTICLE THE SOURCES GIVING DATES AND EVEN PAPER EDITIONS ARE PROVIDED)

Please note that the Bosnian Government, which was the Muslim Islamist regime, refused to allow the Red Cross in to do a count. It was however interested in promoting the Serb massacre story.
And as I promised the url for this is

http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/pumphrey/scandal.htm

Does this cast ANY doubt on the massacre story?

Felix Quigley

From the same source (remember this is only one article of many on www.tenc.net and other sources as well) we find that this issue of keeping the Srebrenica massacre story going became very important for the US State, for the EU and for the UN (including of course the Court in the Hague)

“To maintain the hoax, it is not only necessary to create the illusion that the proof of a massacre exists, but it is also necessary to suppress any evidence that it did not happen. Not only must the 5,000 never be accounted for, but not too many of the 3,000 listed by the Red Cross as prisoners of war must be allowed to return "from the dead."

On January 17, 1996, the British daily "Guardian" published an article concerning one group of the former Muslim POWs from Srebrenica and Zepa, who, once liberated from a POW camp, were flown directly to Dublin:

• "Hundreds of Bosnian Muslim prisoners are still being held at 2 secret camps within neighboring Serbia, according to a group of men evacuated by the Red Cross to a Dublin hospital from one camp - at Sljivovica. (...) A group of 24 men was flown to Ireland just before Christmas [1995] (...). But some 800 others remain incarcerated in Sljivovica and at another camp near Mitrovo Polje, just three days before the agreed date for the release of all detainees under the Dayton peace agreement on Bosnia (...). The Red Cross in Belgrade has been negotiating for several weeks to have the men released and given sanctuary in third countries. A spokeswoman said most were bound for the United States or Australia, with others due to be sent to Italy, Belgium, Sweden, France and Ireland. (...) Since late August, the Red Cross has made fortnightly visits from its Belgrade field office. (...) Teams from the War Crimes Tribunal at The Hague have been in Dublin to question and take evidence from the men."16

Why would prisoners of war, whose normal first wish upon being freed would be to be reunited with their families and to restart their interrupted lives in peacetime, be rushed off to Dublin, with "papers to remain in Ireland"? Why would the Red Cross - usually known for reuniting families - be seeking to secretly spirit them out of their homeland, away from their family and friends? Were their families ever informed?

The ex-prisoners were widely dispersed. For instance, to a second country...
• [The] US decided to accept 214 Bosniaks who, (...) had been detained in Serbian camps and give them refugee status.17

Why have neither the Red Cross (which has been visiting the prisoners since August 1995), nor the Tribunal (in its search for evidence of a "genocide" in Bosnia, for which Srebrenica is slated to be the centerpiece), nor the American government made mention since August 1995 of these men being given refugee status?
And to a third country...
In 1996, the pro-government (Muslim) news agency TWRA reported:

• "[One] Hundred-three Bosnian soldiers who were recently released from prisons in Serbia, were sent to Australia against their will", claims their commander, Osmo Zimic. Zimic also criticizes the UNHCR, whose spokesman claimed these soldiers demanded departure to Australia and by no means return to Bosnia for they would allegedly face criminal charges as deserters there. "This is not true", says Zimic. Australian immigration & ethnic affairs office spokesman says he was informed [of] Zimic's allegation from the Bosnian embassy in Canberra and that the investigation was initiated."18

"The Bosnian Embassy in Australia requested the Hague International Tribunal (ICTY) to start an investigation on the deportation of Bosniaks (800 persons) from Serbia to Australia and Europe in which, supposedly, UNHCR assisted, instead [of] involving Bosniaks in the exchange of prisoners, esp. for they had been in the camps in Serbia which claimed not to be involved in the war in Bosnia. The principal witness for the prosecution is Osmo Zimic, a Bosnian Army Officer, one who had been deported to Australia against his will."19

It seems as though the Red Cross, the UNHCR, and a host of "western" governments around the world were engaged in hiding the fact that these men were not massacred.

Who stood to gain?
We can also ask today who stood to gain from the murder (as it now seems clear) of Milosevic? Perhaps a system that could not prove its case of genocide.

The source is again
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/pumphrey/scandal.htm

Please follow up the sources and if any problem get back to me.

Felix Quigley

So

No comments rushing in on that

Lets talk bodies then

WHY HAVEN'T THE BODIES BEEN IDENTIFIED?

We often hear that:


"Some 4,000 bodies have been found so far in the vicinity of Srebrenica, but only 70 have been identified." (Emphasis added, 'Agence France Presse' ('AFP'), 10/7/00)

According to the Sunday Mail: 'After five years we have found 160 mass graves, but we have no idea who the people are."

The grave sites that NATO has dug up are mostly a) near battlefields or b) near the towns attacked by Nasir Oric's serial killers. The Clinton administration admits that "we have no idea who the people [in these graves] are."


But we do know that Oric's Islamist terrorists killed thousands of Serbian villagers. Doesn't it make sense that the bodies NATO has dug up are A) victims of the Islamist terrorists, B) soldiers who fought the Islamists, C) Islamist terrorists killed in fighting?

The url for this is
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/texts.htm


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