TIME TO CLOSE DOWN THE UN?

Given that Slobodan Milosevic has died in his cell at the UN-controlled tribunal in The Hague, and that his lawyer says he feared he was being poisoned, isn't it time the UN was closed down? I make the score, in terms of deaths in custody: Guantanamo Bay 0. UN 1. Can we look forward to the the Red Cross, Amnesty International and all the other self-proclaimed moral guardians now showing some consistency and calling for Kofi Annan to be indicted as a war criminal - since he carries the can for what the UN gets up to, doesn't he?

In the meantime - close the UN down, right?

Comments

[ernest young]

Guantanamo Bay 0 UN (WCT) 2

Didn't another prisoner die last week?

[David Vance]

See, the score is going up by the day! But where is the outraged voice of Amnesty??????

[Monica-Philadelphia]

LOL! They're dropping like flies. UN out of the US - US out of the UN!

[Madradin Ruad]

One teeny problem - The UN don't ship them around the world - including via Shannon - to be tortured and murdered.

[David Vance]

How many dead in Gitmo? How many dead in the UN Hague?

[Garfield]

How many David, do you know?

[David Vance]

Yes. Gitmo 0 seems the score on the door, unless you have evidence to the contrary? Y'know, like names? Let's be having you..

[Ross]

Are Sudan and Libya still on the UN human rights commission?

[David Vance]

Garfield,

Why so quiet? Who has died in Gitmo? Anyone?

The truth is that liberals are so busy hating Bush that they shoot off their mouths a little too quickly.

[Felix Quigley]

I like this post. It asks the likes of Garfield for some facts. I have never seen Milosevic as a great opponent of NATO or of the UN (He was really an appeaser of NATO, a man trained in the stalinist bureaucratic school of appeasment) but I do think that the Serbs were not guilty of genocide and that the Court in the Hague is an abomination.

Garfield in discussing issues you really have to produce figures and proof.

The Hague court worked somewhat on these lines. Indict the man...then search for the evidence.

This is the case in particular in relation to the SO-CALLED MASSACRE in Srebrinica

The comments of Jared Israel of Emperors New Clothes (www.tenc.net) explain better than I can the situation Milosevic faced:

"Milosevic's death while incarcerated at The Hague - like the deaths of other Serbs before him - is at minimum an outrage. He asked for, and Russia agreed to provide, first rate care for his serious heart condition. The Hague Tribunal demanded special guarantees; the Russian government provided them. Nevertheless, the request was denied, apparently without explanation. Even apart from the statement made by Milosevic's lawyer, Mr. Tomanovic, that Milosevic thought he was being poisoned, this denial was itself foul play. And The Hague has also denied his family's demand that an autopsy be conducted in Russia. Why?"

Note in the above that Jared Israel is not talking about "conspiracy", he is only stating certain facts.

Milosevic had a serious heart condition. He wanted treatment in Russia. He naturally did not trust the UN Court which was trying him on trumped up charges. The Russian state, a sovereign state offered full guarantees. Those are the facts as Jared Israel produces them.

It seems to me that the method of NATO and the UN is to use the Media to stir up hatred against a person or country. Then the UN and Amnesty International moves in and takes statements from a partisan group, in Bosnia it was the Islamofascists led by Izetbegovic and in Jenin it was the Palestinians. Remember there was also supposed to be genocide there carried out by the Israeli Army.

In relation to Milosevic and also to the whole Serb leadership they have been demonized by NATO, the UN and by a compliant Media. The example of this which stays in my mind is the "Concentration Camp" photo which was shot by the ITN team and beamed around the world. The picture was proved to be a total hoax.

The International Community through these forces moved in on Yugoslavia and allied themselves with the open fascists of Croatia, with the Albanian fascist KLA of Kosova and with the Islamofascists of the Izetbegovic Government in Bosnia.

And anybody who is any part of that should hang their head in shame.

I appeal especially to Protestant people in the north of Ireland to find out more about these issues (like Srebrenica) before condemning any Serb for genocide, just because the UN or the Media say so.

[Colm]

Felix

Why do you appeal only to Protestant people to find out more about these issues ?

[Peter]

"This is the case in particular in relation to the SO-CALLED MASSACRE in Srebrinica"

Felix, when is a war crime not a war crime? Let me guess: when it's perpetrated against muslims?

[Peter]

More on the "so-called" massacre of Srebrenica here:

"The Red Cross lists 7,079 dead and missing at Srebrenica. Other estimates range as high as 8,000 or 10,000. David Rohde notes that the massacre "accounts for an astonishing percentage of the number of missing" from the brutal Balkans conflict as a whole. "Of the 18,406 Muslims, Serbs and Croats reported still missing ... as of January 1997, 7,079 are people [men] who disappeared after the fall of Srebrenica. In other words, approximately 38 percent of the war's missing are from Srebrenica." By any standard, it was one of the worst and most concentrated acts of gendercide in the post-World War II era -- and the worst massacre of any kind in Europe for fifty years."

See
http://www.gendercide.org/case_srebrenica.html

[Ross]

{The example of this which stays in my mind is the "Concentration Camp" photo which was shot by the ITN team and beamed around the world. The picture was proved to be a total hoax.}

Wasn't this the claim made by Living Marxism who subsequently lost a libel action brought by ITN?

{Islamofascists of the Izetbegovic Government in Bosnia.}

In what possibly sense was Izetbegovic an 'islamofascist', unless all muslims are islamofascists. The man who coined the term 'islamofascist' Steven Schwarz, would certainly be bemused to see Izetbegovic classified as such. Usually the evidence for his supposed islamofascism is an out of context quote from a book he wrote 30 years ago.

[Colm]

Felix let's himself down with his shameful whitewashing and excusing of Milosevic's deliberate sectarian warmongering and the blatantly abusive Serb behaviour during the Balkans tragedies of the early 1990's.

[Madradin Ruad]

Felix let's himself down

Frankly, I don't think so Colm - his posting on this thread is no worse than usual. It's what we should expect from him.

[Peter]

Felix is no better than the holocaust-denier David Irvine. To try to excuse the genocidal Milosovic is beyond the pale, but it fits his world-view, don't you see.

[felix quigley]

Colm, you write above why do I appeal only to the Protestant people. I do not only appeal to the Protestant people, I appeal to everybody, to revise and look closely at the Media reports on Yugoslavia. On this site, and David has influence among many Protestants in the north, I appeal especially to Protestants. But Colm you know my appeal is to everybody.

Also Colm you write

"Felix let's himself down with his shameful whitewashing and excusing of Milosevic's deliberate sectarian warmongering and the blatantly abusive Serb behaviour during the Balkans tragedies of the early 1990's".

Colm. You are a liar and a political bounder of the first order.

You join the Hague Court method of NATO.

Provide your facts so I can answer. Give your sources.

Madradin

"Frankly, I don't think so Colm - his posting on this thread is no worse than usual. It's what we should expect from him."

Just character assasination. Nothing here. Just your biassed opinion.

Peter, you join your reactionary friends with:

"Felix is no better than the holocaust-denier David Irvine. To try to excuse the genocidal Milosovic is beyond the pale, but it fits his world-view, don't you see."

The genocidal Milosevic you say. facts Peter. Provide them or shut your big mouth up.

Yes Peter you do have a big mouth. You write

"By any standard, it was one of the worst and most concentrated acts of gendercide in the post-World War II era -- and the worst massacre of any kind in Europe for fifty years."

Prove the massacre charge. You have not. THAT is why you have a big and a very foul mouth.

Ross you write

"{The example of this which stays in my mind is the "Concentration Camp" photo which was shot by the ITN team and beamed around the world. The picture was proved to be a total hoax.}

Wasn't this the claim made by Living Marxism who subsequently lost a libel action brought by ITN?"

What is your point? Or why are you so stupid? Tell me what you know about the Libel Case in question? Especially what you know of the judge's summing up?

Ross you write on Izetbegovic suggesting he was not an Islamist or Islamofascist (both the same)

"In what possibly sense was Izetbegovic an 'islamofascist', unless all muslims are islamofascists. The man who coined the term 'islamofascist' Steven Schwarz, would certainly be bemused to see Izetbegovic classified as such. Usually the evidence for his supposed islamofascism is an out of context quote from a book he wrote 30 years ago."

You really are an idiot but worse you are an ignorant idiot.

Why not do your own research. You will find lots on www.tenc.net (Emperors New Clothes).

Also you might like to keep in tune with my own site on these issues. And you will find some of my work on Israpundit. You will also see that Jews highly rate my work on this. See my article Death of Milosevic on Israpundit at the moment and do not miss the comments.

Note not one of thje above write under their full name. As I said they are cowardly but they are ignorant cowards as well. State your facts you anonymous miserable people!

[Cunningham]

Felix, until you are able to slouch back to that lunatic asylum you obviously escaped from (as suggested by Richard Develan. Remember him? He's the guy who got you booted off the pages of your fellow zionists' Israpundit website for making libellous remarks

http://www.israpundit.com/archives/2006/01/not_guilty_as_c.php
)

...well, until that day, please ... PLEASE.. don't say anything about the 1916 Rising !

On my knees I beg you!

[Peter]

Quigley, your intemperate response puts you beneath contempt. I will not waste time arguing with someone who resorts to personal abuse and I will totally ignore your garbage from now on.

Get stuffed.

[felix quigley]

Peter

What a wonderful outcome!

To be ignored by a political cretin like you is in my book a great honour. Bye bye.

As I said you have a big mouth.

When you uttered these words:

"By any standard, it was one of the worst and most concentrated acts of gendercide in the post-World War II era -- and the worst massacre of any kind in Europe for fifty years."

I said in reply

Prove the massacre charge. You have not. THAT is why you have a big and a very foul mouth.

My charge that you have a big and a foul mouth still stands.

You are the type and there are too many around who use their big mouths to throw out charges of genocide.

There is a long history of this defamation of a people and of individuals. You stand in that category.

But you can never back your slanders up with hard facts.

Perhaps research is just not your forte!

And you still have not backed up your Srebrenica charge with any evidence! Why the reticence. Oh I forgot you are no longer speaking to me! Well good!

[felix quigley]

Cunningham

Who are you exactly?

And why do you enter into this debate on the death of Slobodan Milosevic by branching off into the conflict which arose between myself and Delevan?

[Ross]

How to be Felix Quigley in 5 easy steps-

1- Accuse everyone you don't like of being a fascist.

2- Tie everything back to Israel so you can also accuse them of being anti-semites.

3- Make up wild conspiracy theories in which everyone you don't like is involved. It is best to back these up with links to lunatic websites, these have a lot of credibility and are easily more authoritive than courts of law.

4- When Challenged go back to step 2.

5- Once you realise that you look ridiculous start telling people how stupid they are.

For example-

I like this post. It asks the likes of Neil Armstrong for some facts. I have never seen the Moon as a large rock owned by the UN(It was really a holographic projection) a man trained in the stalinist bureaucratic school of appeasment) but I do think that the the Moon exists and that Royal College of Astronomers is an abomination.

In discussing issues you really have to produce figures and proof.

NAS worked somewhat on these lines. Claim the moon exists and then search for evidence.

This is the case in particular in relation to the SO-CALLED Moon Landings.

The comments of the Mad Revisionist, http://www.revisionism.nl/Moon/The-Mad-Revisionist.htm explain this better than I-

"But don’t all qualified scientists and astronomers agree that there is a moon? Indeed, but shouldn’t one be suspicious of such unanimity, when universities are supposed to be forums for open debate of controversial issues. Even a layperson like myself knows that scientists are not supposed to approach issues with preconceived notions. Yet this principle is cast aside when the moon is at stake. You will never see the revisionist perspective on the moon being taught in institutions of higher learning, even as a controversial opposing view. In fact, in order to even become a recognized scientist in the current atmosphere of academic repression, one must pay lip service to the establishment’s orthodoxy"

Note he is not talking about a conspiracy just stating the facts.

It seems to me that the method of NASA and the Patrick Moore is to use the Media to stir up hatred against a person or country who deny the moons existance. Then the UN and Amnesty International moves in and takes statements from a partisan group, in Bosnia it was the Lunarfascists led by Aldrin and in Jenin it was the Palestinians. Remember there was also supposed to be genocide there carried out by the Israeli Army. So therefore the Moon doesn't exist.

You are simply too stupid to look at the facts about this big lie, why don't you do some research you coward?!!

[felix quigley]

Cunningham is one of those who open their huge mouths and wade in to the fray throwing whatever mud they can regardless of what the debate is about and regardless of what may have been written immediately above. As above I wrote:

"Also you might like to keep in tune with my own site on these issues. And you will find some of my work on Israpundit. You will also see that Jews highly rate my work on this. See my article Death of Milosevic on Israpundit at the moment and do not miss the comments."

For your convenience Cunningham I have also placed this Israpundit article on my site www.isill.blogspot.com

[Ross]

Incidently he keeps citing the Emperors New Clothes and Jared Israel which judging from this post on Stephen Pollard's site appears to be quite popular with nutters-

http://www.stephenpollard.net/002513.html

HANNITY: Mr. Gil-White, Sean Hannity here. Did you or did you not call the September 11 terrorist attacks an inside job, sir?

GIL-WHITE: Yes. But that has nothing to do with why I'm being fired.

HANNITY: Let me -- Hang on a second. Did you or did you not write articles alleging that NATO framed Slobodan Milosevic?

GIL-WHITE: Yes, I did. I have an article…

HANNITY: Hang on. I'm not here to dispute this. I want to -- I want to get your track record on the record. Did you or did you not try to convince your colleagues that the United States is the secret enemy of Israel, sir?

GIL-WHITE: Yes.

HANNITY: OK. They're saying that this has nothing to do with those opinions, but I want to address those opinions. You really say that there's an inside job that -- about 9/11? Explain your little theory here.

GIL-WHITE: Look, I'm not a 9/11 scholar. What you should do is get Jared Israel here. He's the chief editor of "Emperor's Clothes," www.tenc.net. He's probably the world's authority...

HANNITY: You said 9/11 was an inside job. You just admitted to me. What do you mean when you say it's an inside job?

GIL-WHITE: Well, the reporter for the "Philadelphia Inquirer," Patrick Kerkstra, asked me whether I agreed with the views expressed on Emperor's Clothes concerning 9/11. I haven't done any real research on 9/11. Jared Israel has. I agree with his conclusions, and that is, indeed, the core of his argument.