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March 12, 2006

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Cunningham

Everyone knows that Dame Edna is the true Queen of Australia. Usurpers beware!

Robert

Ah those fiendish Oirish. They get in everywhere, don't they? And don't worry, you're not remotely paranoid.

Paul Keating

So it's now the Australians' fault you couldn't get a job, Andrew? That's the spirit - blame everyone, but yourself!

Madradin Ruad

Robert - of where was Daniel Mannix Archbishop ?

Andrew McCann

Robert

They certainly do. As Dave Allen once said: 'The Irish are very good at populating other people's countries.'

Don't confuse truth with paranoia.

Garfield

At least the Irish know they are still other people's countries unlike the British who are very good at conquering other people's countries and then consider them their own.

Fortunately, they are also very good at losing them again.

Andrew McCann

Garfield

Any contemporary examples - including any legal examples if you are going to include Northern Ireland?

scouseproud

Andrew is correct not paranoid,the Republican movement in Australia is dominated by those of Irish Catholic Nationalist origin, the same for New Zealand and Canada. Ifyou visit the Australians for a constitutiopnalmonarchy site, yoyu can read its take on one of Australias leading republicans a Father Brennan. It must also be added to be fair that Monarchist, and pro Establishment are dominated by those of British origin. Despite a universally hostile media, the Queen is still head of state, and even republicans have called off counter demonstrations because they are counter productive, the Queen is still popular in Australia, things mightbedifferent for any future monarch. As for Britain being good at losing countries does he (garfield) mean the Falklands?

Madradin Ruad

Isn't it strange how many of the countries that were part of the British Empire are still our friends. Wonder why ? Of course the Countries that were part of the German Empire, or the Spanish Empire and various other European Empires belong to organisations equivalent to the Commonwealth, or do they ?

scouseproud

Sorry for a few typing errors above, i meant Australians for a Constitutional monarchy.I bet the new world leaders the USA, wished they had the good relations the UK has withmany of these commonwealth countries. Besides the USA, the Republic and Burma and i think a few middle east states, all the former colonies and protectorates chose of their own free will to join the Commonwealth. Some including Pakistan left the Commonwealth then re joined it, Hong Kong would probably liked to have remained linked but the Chinese would not allow it.
As for being enemies of Britain hardly, they all ended having tea at Buckingham Palace. The French have an equivelant the French Community, but the French President is not head of it like the Queen is head of the Commonwealth.

Madradin Ruad

And of course the reason that there wasn't an Irish Empire was because there wasn't "an" Irish Nation :)

Robert

There isn't an Irish Empire in the sense of invading other people's countries, killing the populace and stealing their assets. But Irish culure is generally admired and respected. I've found it an asset to be Irish in many countries. And perhaps the acquisition of an Empire is God's joke on the powerful. After all young British men are dying now in Iraq, a country artifically cobbled together to serve British interests. I wonder if we can think of any examples nearer home?

Madradin Ruad

There isn't an Irish Empire in the sense of invading other people's countries, killing the populace and stealing their assets.

On the other hand Parochial Kings based on the Island of Ireland in the past did invade other peoples countries, killing the populace and stealing their assets. If Ireland had ever formed a unified Nation it likely would have had Imperial aspirations. It was what more 'advanced' peoples did in the past.

Robert

On balance, I'm glad we're not advanced enough to create a quagmire like Iraq.

Madradin Ruad

And as we approach the green-beer-fest - it's worth pointing out that St Patrick came to Ireland originally because the geographical Irish went a-slaving long before the Spanish and Portugese Empires started the Transatlantic slave trade :)

Madradin Ruad

On balance, I'm glad we're not advanced enough to create a quagmire like Iraq.

nah

1 - you merely gave the World International terrorism and the Car Bomb.

2 - It was what more 'advanced' peoples did in the past.

Andrew McCann

Robert

No, but I can think of an example of false historical nationhood built to serve the interests of nationalists just across the Irish Sea from me.

Only an Irishman could be so ignorant of the benefits of Empire.

Robert

I knew the wrongs of the Milesians and the Tuatha de Dannan would one day come back to haunt us. But what about those Picts?

Robert

"1 - you merely gave the World International terrorism and the Car Bomb. "

But that was what more advanced peoples did in the past. That's pretty much what your case is re the empire, isn't it?

Madradin Ruad

That's pretty much what your case is re the empire, isn't it?

what are the benefits of the Car Bomb ( 20th Century ) and international Terrorism (19th Century)? Victims of these don't usually become close friends of the bombers/Terrorist in the way that former members of the British Empire remain good friends of Britain.

Robert

Countries don't have close friends. They have mutually benificial economic and diplomatic ties. It's a strange definition of friendship which requires invasion and subjugation to initiate it.

Robert

And those countries which have the closest ties, ie Australia and New Zealand have very few of their original population left to express an opinion one way or another. A strategy which was attempted with less success closer to home.

scouseproud

How many exactly of the original population of Boston or other areas of the USA populated by Irish Americans are there?
A very good read as regards the British Empire is Niall Fergusons book Empire . Niall is Professor of political and financial history at Oxford.
New military technologies meant the Empire after 1945 could not be defended by itself , possesions over 5 continents could not be defended by a fleet from an island fortress in an atomic age and long range air power. Suez revealed the fundamental American hostility to Empire remained.
The bottom line was economy exhausted by victory after world war 2 anddenied the fresh start following defeat of Germany the costs of Empire proved too much, Defence expendidture at a time of austerity was know 5.8% , it had only been 2.6% a century earlier, a former trade deficit which could be financed by an overseas investment portfolio was replaced by a crushing foreign debt burden and the treasury now had to pay for a nationalised health service, industries etc.

scouseproud

In the end the British sacrificed their Empire to stop the Germans, Japanese and Italians from keeping theirs. That sacrifice alonne expunged all the Empires other "sins"

Popping In

Robert,

Go and ask Helen Clark, Prime Minister of New Zealand whether her Republican views are popular with her Maori compatriots.

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