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January 06, 2006

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Hugh Green

In case anyone's interested, here is my translation of Chavez's remarks:

‘The world has enough for everyone, but it so happens that certain minorities, the descendants of the same ones who crucified Christ, the descendants of the same ones who threw Bolívar out of here and also crucified him in their own way in Santa Marta, off in Colombia. A minority became the owner of the riches of the world, a minority became the owner of the planet’s gold, its silver, its minerals, the waters, the fertile lands, the oil, of the riches, then, and they have concentrated the riches in the hands of a few: less than 10 per cent of the population of the world owns more than half the riches of the whole world and .. more than half of the inhabitants of the planet are poor and every day there are more poor people in the entire world.’

I posted on it here:

http://mostsincerelyfolks.blogspot.com/2006/01/chvez-and-anti-semitism.html


It is interesting, though, that the remarks as they appear in the press are shorn of their original context. In the original, his remarks don't even make grammatical sense.

In short, I don't think he was talking about the 'Jooooooos'.

Emily

I don't think he was talking about Romans when he said "the descendants of the same ones who crucified Christ."

David Vance

Hugh,

You're fooling yourself but no one else.

Hugh Green

Emily,


I don't think he was talking about Romans when he said "the descendants of the same ones who crucified Christ."

Another Jewish leader, U.S. Rabbi Arthur Waskow, said in an e-mail he has serious doubts it was an anti-Semitic slur.

``I know of no one who accuses the Jews of fighting against Bolivar,'' wrote Waskow, of The Shalom Center in Philadelphia. ``And certainly I - and most Jews - teach that it was the Roman Empire, and Roman soldiers, who crucified Jesus.''

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5526749,00.html


DV

You're fooling yourself but no one else.

I suppose I'd really be fooling myself if I thought I could change your mind on the matter!

Canadiana

Interesting, and I have to agree about the Jewish versus Bolivar comment from Mr.Waskow....doesn't seem to make any sense.

Emily

Hugh,
I've read endless pages of theory and "evidence" and passages of Scripture on who did or didn't kill Jesus. I'm not really interested in arguing the matter. However, when Chavez says "the descendants those who crucified Christ" he is either talking about the Romans or the Jews. I have to ask you - do you seriously think he was talking about the Romans?

David Vance

Maybe he is anti-Romanist???

Emily

Why shouldn't he be, David? What have the Romans ever done for him?

Ross

More on Chavez and his regime's attitude towards Jews-

" As parents and school buses delivered children to Colegio Hebraica, a Jewish grade school in Caracas, 25 secret police commandos in combat gear and face masks burst into the main building. Scores of preschoolers were locked in the school as panicked parents tried to retrieve them"

"Chavez first ran for president on a reform platform, winning in a landslide. What few understood then was that Chavez planned to revolutionize the country following a plan masterminded by his longtime friend Norberto Ceresole, an Argentinian writer infamous for his books denying the Holocaust and his conspiracy theories about Jewish plans to control the planet."

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0RMQ/is_44_10/ai_n14895831

Hugh Green

Emily

I have to ask you - do you seriously think he was talking about the Romans?

To be honest, Emily, I think he's a bit of a windbag, and he was consciously drawing parallels between himself and Christ, so I wouldn't be surprised if the 'descendants of those who crucified Christ', as he puts it, are those people he sees as out to do him in - imperialists, yankees, capitalists, whoever.

Hugh Green

The 'speech' is available in full at

http://www.gobiernoenlinea.gob.ve/docMgr/sharedfiles/Chavez_visita_Centro_Manantial_de_los_suenos24122005.pdf

David Vance

"...a bit of a windbag"?

Mmmm.."a bit of a fascist thug?"....yes!

Mike's America

Many of the same lefties that hold up Hugo Chavez's growing dicatorship over his people, are also anti-semites!

The Troll

Hugh your a communist....


I'd like to ask the democrats in new england that are taking discount oil from this scumsucker and ask them how the feel supporting and praising this little tin plate ass...

The unworthy Troll

Heres part of it also Castro is getting closer and closer to death. His has been the most successful dictatorship in the latin american region for what 45yrs. Part of that is the support Castro got from being biligerant to the US. Chavez just might feel he is actually safer by taking castros place in the region than not. Thus all the claims that were trying to kill him.

Neal

Way to go Mike, that sure clinches it. Hugh, I guess the only response to the Bolivar portion is that you're fooling yourself. It speaks well for your point that nobody has tried to respond substantively to it.

mahons

He is a raving lunatic and is trying to link the old Christ killer claim against the Jews with a demented claim that they somehow were against Bolivar. If you ever heard of a nutcase Black Muslim in the States called Louis Farrakhan (Sp?) you would see that such attacks don't actually have to make sense to stir up the mob. Anti-jewish sentiment has long been a staple of dictators and their ilk.

Hugh Green

Yeah... whatever...

http://www.forward.com/articles/7189

'The Venezuelan Jewish community leadership and several major American Jewish groups are accusing the Simon Wiesenthal Center of rushing to judgment by charging Venezuela's leftist president, Hugo Chavez, with making antisemitic remarks.

Officials of the leading organization of Venezuelan Jewry were preparing a letter this week to the center, complaining that it had misinterpreted Chavez's words and had failed to consult with them before attacking the Venezuelan president.

"You have interfered in the political status, in the security, and in the well-being of our community. You have acted on your own, without consulting us, on issues that you don't know or understand," states a draft of the letter obtained by the Forward. Copies of the letter are also to be sent to the heads of the World Jewish Congress and the American Jewish Committee, among other Jewish groups.

"We believe the president was not talking about Jews and that the Jewish world must learn to work together," said Fred Pressner, president of the Confederation of Jewish Associations of Venezuela.'

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