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November 04, 2005

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Madradin Ruad

And people wonder why the unionist community are not enthusiastic about a United Ireland ?
It would be more of the same.

Henry94

The case was fought by an Irish Trade Union and resolved by an Irish government agency.

The question is not will discrimination happen but how it will be handled when it does. This shows a system that works.

Nationalist

It is bad but type of stuff happens in the North as well. It has happened to me. What was worse was that after the fact it what was going was mentioned to a protestant friend of mine as some sort of joke - pathetic.

I agree shame on those in Donegal

Any examples of Irish people being compensated for the discrimination they have experienced in the UK?

Afer all while David uses no dogs, blacks or British in his intro, "no dogs, blacks or Irish" signs really were freely visible throughout Britain.

Or is this discrimination still swept under the carpet in the UK?

I'll get the ball rolling with two cases.

An Irish job applicant, after answering a question about his nationality, was
asked: “Do you have a problem with drink?” (O’Driscoll v Post Office, 1990).
Faced with derogatory comments about his Irish origins nearly
every day, a factory worker was dismissed when he continued to complain
(McAuley v Auto Alloys Foundry, 1994).

It's no wonder that the Irish minority want nothing to do with living in the Union.

Garfield

That was me above.

Betty Boo

"Bigots in Donegal"
Shame on you.

Todd

Same happened to a friend of mine in the North, She said during the Interview they kept asking her questions about her background. She reckoned it was because they couldn't figure out if she was Catholic or Protestant, finally got it out of her by asking about her Primary education...

Richard

Why are these people not bigots betty? They were intolerant enough to pass this lady over for promotion because of her nationality. Perhaps you are leaping to their defence because they aren't prods, and sure as the media tell us, only prods can be bigots . . .

Richard

Todd

Have you ever been to a job interview? Questions about your education are commonplace.

David Vance

Hey Betty Boo,

Are you still doin' the do? Those who discriminated were bigots, blame and simple. I was careful NOT to suggest all Donegal people are bigots were bigots, as that would be absurd. And Henry also makes a fair point. No place is perfect - even Donegal, folks.

Todd

Well not being there, I can only say what was passed onto me, of course could be all a mixup, but this girl sure as hell didn't think so.

I suppose though its not really the point. This stuff happens all the time all over the world, can be racial, nepatism etc etc and is definitely not confined to one community.

Colm

Exactly Todd. No-one can disagree with you there.

Madradin Ruad

I wonder will Father Reid chip in and claim that the Republic treat "Brits" like nazis ? ;)

This was a Government job. And once again a nationalist council was shown to have discriminated - happened a lot with nationalist councils up here.

Re the post office - if it was in London, I wonder if it was for the big PO station near Cricklewood ? Take an evening -any evening - tour of the pubs in Cricklewood, Willesden and Kilburn and the question doesn't seem that outlandish ;)

And of course - Roman Catholics have been shown to be heavier drinkers than Protestants.

"Numerous studies from both the United States and Europe have suggested that Protestants consume less alcohol but perceived great problems with the substance. In contrast Roman Catholics consume more alcohol but do not perceived its consumption as problematic. The reason for this may be based in the distant past."

United Irelander

I'm confused by the logic behind this piece. You rightfully condemn the discrimination the woman suffered yet as Henry pointed out, the fact that the case was fought by an Irish Trade Union and resolved by an Irish government agency, is overlooked. Why?

The ROI is clearly tackling bigotry which is good to see.

Madradin Ruad

By the logic of your point UI - Loyalists committed dreadful crimes, and were sent to jail ( higher conviction rate than against Republican terrorists) by Ulster's police and courts, so there's no problem with Loyalist terrorists ?

United Irelander

MR

"By the logic of your point UI - Loyalists committed dreadful crimes, and were sent to jail ( higher conviction rate than against Republican terrorists) by Ulster's police and courts, so there's no problem with Loyalist terrorists ?"

I wouldn't put discrimination (as bad as it is) on a par with 'dreadful crimes'.

Discrimination exists in every society. The test for a society is how it handles it. This case was handled properly and we should all be pleased over that. The bigots didn't prevail.

Madradin Ruad

I wouldn't put discrimination (as bad as it is) on a par with 'dreadful crimes'.

according to many on your side of the fence such discrimination in the past justified republican atrocities.

United Irelander

"according to many on your side of the fence such discrimination in the past justified republican atrocities."

True, but thankfully such discrimination is being left in the past. Lessons are being learnt at long last.

Madradin Ruad

I'm not convinced to be honest UI. One thing about the supposed peace process - it has both legitimised and increased sectarian divisions in NI and as such we are worse off in that respect.

Aileen

Totally agree with your last post Mad

and I also agree that an important issue is if and how these things get resolved. It is worse if these things can happen and they are allowed to stand. It is similar to bullying in the workplace. It's not just a matter of saying how much of it goes on, but how easy it is to get away with.

United Irelander

I can't comment too much on what things are like in Donegal (never been there actually). The fact is you guys in NI probably know more about the county than I do. All I can say is that I find the actions of this council to be so pathetic. Maybe it's because I'm a Dubliner and because I see how varied my city is at this point in time, but I really scratch my head over idiots like these council members who are so ignorant and insular.

Madradin Ruad

It's an interesting thought UI - Donegal has a more of a reputation for bias against prods than Dublin - which fits in with the notion that discrimination increases as the percentage of population increases. Overall circa 11% has been the figure I have sen mentioned. In a United Ireland the national percentage would be closer to 20% so we could expect discrimination to increase even further from present levels. And to make matters worse - there's the point that if the Northern protestants were to assimilate better then violence would be more rather than less likely.

Madradin Ruad

Overall 11% referred to Donegal.

Neal

MR - by that logic, discrimination in the ROI against Protestants must be considerably less than that against the 40some% of catholics in NI...

Madradin Ruad

Neal - of course it is - there are hardly any prods left in most of the ROI. Also works at local level in nationalist areas where there aren't many prods they face less problems than in nationalist areas where there are more prods. And it has been made worse because of the Belfast agreement.
It's because we have a large minority in NI that we have so much violence and tension. If the RC population of NI was 5% things would likely have been very different as they wouldn't have been perceived as a threat.

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