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June 30, 2006

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Mardy Bum

Either they are black, or I've forgotten to take my sunglasses off.

Very clumsy attempt at humour.

One does however wonder whether the good bretheren of Lomé would be welcomed so warmly to Belfast by those whose faith they share.

Andrew McCann

They are welcomed on many occasions. I, alone, have seen four Orange parades in Belfast where Togolese brethren were in the procession.

Cunningham

>>since I have never read about any murders taking place on the 12th,<<

What?
The only explanation is that you are avoiding such unpalatable news.

Andrew McCann

Cunningham

Find me a news article of when a spectator/participant has been murdered at any Orange march on the 12th July.

Madradin Ruad in British Ireland

Let's hope that the gutless wonders at UTV and BBC increase the TV coverage.

Michael Shilliday

I only ask as I am genuinly interested - are you a member of the Institution Andrew? If you don't want to answer here David has an email address you can get me at more readily.

Fear Oraiste

Burning tricolours indeed, Andrew. A lovely way of extending the hand of friendship to the fellow Ulstermen and loyal Orange brethren of Cavan, Monaghan and Donegal.

So presumably you'll also be supprting that other group of Orangemen, the Gaelic footballers of Armagh in their campaign to emulate that other British team, Tyrone by bringing the All Ireland title back to the UK?

Reg

"These are not displays of antagonistic evil, but demonstrations of Protestant culture, loyalty to the Crown and, in the case of UK parades, a commitment to the Union. The latter is the reason - the ONLY reason - why nationalists hate them so much."

No it isn't.


"Schomberg House wishes to transform the 12th July into the equivalent of the Notting Hill Carnival"

Yes, best of luck with that.

Madradin Ruad in British Ireland

presumably you'll also be supprting that other group of Orangemen, the Gaelic footballers of Armagh in their campaign to emulate that other British team, Tyrone by bringing the All Ireland title back to the UK?

Not if that would be met with "celebratory attacks" on protestant churches and police station as happened when Armagh won a few years ago.

Cunningham

Andrew,
Ever heard of the Quinn brothers?

GH

Nothing new in Feeny's rant - Just the same old bigotry from before. Does he paid for these articles? If so, it must be the easiest earned money in this part of Britain.

Daniel Bright

Why the name "in British Ireland"? Is this to highlight Britain's [alleged] occupation on the part of the Oirish? Or am I missing another amusing bit of Ulster humour?

Andrew McCann

Cunningham

They were murdered by scum in the privacy of their own home. They were not attending an Orange march.

Cunningham's logic = a black man murders a white guy in Romford so let's stop the Notting Hill Carnival.

Daniel Bright

Why is it held on the 12th when we beat James on the 1st?

daytripper

These are not displays of antagonistic evil, but demonstrations of Protestant culture, loyalty to the Crown and, in the case of UK parades, a commitment to the Union.

then

Stick to burning Irish Tricolours.

no, not antaginistic at all. and you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 12th is every bit as much about maintaining sectarian divisions, as it it is about loyalty to the crown.
the orange order missed their chance to make the 12th an inclusive celebration. they were played by the sein fein machine and were too stupid to realise it.
as a protestant i feel no cultural connection to the 12th or the marching season. it is nothing more than an excuse for skip rats to travel to province leaving a trail of white lightning bottles everywhere they go. i am not alone either.

Reg

"Not if that would be met with "celebratory attacks" on protestant churches and police station as happened when Armagh won a few years ago."

I don't remember that. Possibly it never happened? (Queue MR searching frantically for links to any sectarian attacks in Armagh to "prove" his point)!

NS

*Why is it held on the 12th when we beat James on the 1st?*

Some oul Pope - Gregory the One Hundred and Fifty Ninth I think - changed the calendar and we all went along with it - another misguided ecumenical venture, but at least it showed that we do humour them from time to time. Oops...am I am bigot? Read Feeney's next exciting episode to find out.

Cunningham

>>I have never read about any murders taking place on the 12th<<

>>Cunningham's logic = a black man murders a white guy in Romford so let's stop the Notting Hill Carnival<<

How you wish the connection were so remote.

But it isn't.
People were murdered by those supporting the OO's right to march solely in order to blackmail the authorities into allowing them march through areas where they are not wanted.

Mike H

Andrew

I agree with your post until the end. I don't doubt that you have wide experience of attending the actual parades (as do I with my children) but you clearly don't have much experience of 11th night bonfires.

I'm originally from the Shankill road and latterly East Belfast. There was a time when these were a part of the celebrations but in recent years (certainly in working class Protestant areas) they've become something else.

They are dangerously high and use toxic materials. If you try to mention this (as I have - I have 2 young children) - you'll get told to F*** off by some youth.

At the bonfires themselves, there will be a lot of drunk/drugged up teenagers, fighting and sometimes a "display of force" by the UDA or UVF.

I've spoken to a lot of people who are in the same boat (either elderly or with young children) but, realistically, there's not a lot we can do. We just have to stay indoors and calm the children.

I enjoy taking the kids to watch the parades on the 12th and it is wonderful - especially on a sunny day. It is indeed a celebration of culture but I'm afraid that I can no longer say that of the 11th night.

Madradin Ruad in British Ireland

Daniel - For an explanation of British Ireland, have a look at the last half dozen posts in this Thread.

http://atangledweb.typepad.com/weblog/2006/06/president_welco.html#comments

Andrew McCann

'Stick to burning Irish Tricolours'

Yep, that's my own personal stance. Just like when republicans burn the Union Flag.

Cunningham

The guy who murdered the Quinn children wasn't even in the OO.

Michael

No I'm not. Though having a Catholic mother would be no bar to my membership because I was baptised CoE.

 Tony

Look at the latest rant from Bigoted Bri! 'The Orange Order has been the cause of civil disorder in Ireland since its foundation.......They are the Ku Klux Klan marching through Harlem, the National Front marching along Brick Lane in London.'

The OO have more than one string to their bow of hate, don't you know. Just like going to the zoo, they were more than happy to stare at the old native American shipped over a few years ago. That is a very old picture in Togo, but I am sure that some of these "Hiwi's" still exist, bet they don't know the truth about the Scottish and Irish marches.

Wonder how many new immigrants of all colours in South Belfast are being welcomed into the klan(oops force of habit) Is being assaulted and forced out of your residence a new way that the followers of Orangism are drumming up their dwindling band of haters?

Madradin Ruad in British Ireland

I don't remember that.

Very Stalinist Reg.

http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2002/09/22/story69374.asp

Hundreds of nationalist rioters tonight launched an attack on a police station in Northern Ireland.

Security cameras were pulled down from the perimeter of the building in Lurgan, Co Armagh, as the mob went on the rampage.

Tricolours were erected on a war memorial in the nearby town centre, a Police Service of Northern Ireland spokesman said.

Trouble flared as Armagh’s footballers clinched an historic victory in the All-Ireland Final in Dublin.

 Tony

No I'm not. Though having a Catholic mother would be no bar to my membership because I was baptised CoE.

Andrew.

Does the name Lennie Murphy mean anything to you?

Reg

Don't knock Comrade Stalin ;)

Well done, you found a link to an attack on a police station in Lurgan on the same day.

No mention of Protestant churches there though. Hmmm. How very mendacious.

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