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April 30, 2006

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scouseproud

David Trimble explaining the UUP meltdown said " (Blair)Indulged republicans all the time giving them too much attention, its true to say he thinks by encouragement, emotion and charm he can solve all problems"
Oh great wise one, dont tell us this suddenly occured to you the day after the electorate threw you out? You were prepared to put your trust in the man the result the party down from 10 MPs to 1 MP!
Judgement not youre strong point! Never mind the Commons loss is the Lords gain?
Amazing how many "clever" people have no common sense at all!

David Vance

Scouseproud,

Very true indeed - well said.

Ogra

Well if the assembly isn't back by November, Joint Authority will probably follow. The people in Northern Ireland can share power or the two countries will share power. You can live in denial, but Unioists can only push the two governments so far, you will be punished if you stall for much longer.

David Vance

"The people in Northern Ireland can share power" - yes, but not with the IRA terror godfathers. Not now and hopefully not ever.

Ogra

'Not now and hopefully not ever.' I wouldnt bet on it.

Aileen

"you will be punished if you stall for much longer"

and having terrorists in governemnt would not be a punishment?

Richard Allen

I many ways I view Trimble as a tragic figure. It's hard to dispute that at heart he is a good man or that his intentions were good. It is simply that he was wrong time and again. He trusted those who were unworthy of his trust time and again. Although I was glad that the people of Upper Bann dispensed with his services I couldn't help feel some sympathy with him as he made his speech after the result was declared.

David Vance

Richard,

I doubt if Trimble has had a harsher critic than myself and I live in Upper Bann. That said, I think you offer a very fair judgement. I would only add that in addition to putting his trust in republican liars, he was way too arrogant in how he managed UUP affairs and how he treated those fellow unionists who differed with him. He felt he knew better, history tells us he did not.

The Troll

if they except a government with terrorists as members you place your government in the company of other great governments, Palestine, Syria, Iran...

Ogra

well this is where we disagree,From my opinion Sinn Fein are not a terrorist party, the IRA have decommissioned and disowned all criminal members. You may not agree but this is cooberated by the IMC, the two gov's, MI5 and G2. You, however, have no evidence to debunk this. Who do i believe, the two governments with access to inteligence or hardline unionists, who are already biased against Sinn Fein, and can not produce any evidence to back up their claims. No Contest, Sinn Fein are fit for government.

Aileen

"biased against Sein Fein".

It's a shame that many more people aren't biased against an onganisation that justifies its murderous campaign. I am unapologetically biased against SF, UDP and PUP!

David Vance

Sinn Fein/IRA are fit for nothing. They are a loathsome abomination, an insult to democrats with an scintilla of wit, and a stain of the fools who vote for them. And by the way, I am NOT a hard-line Unionist. I am a democrat.

Madradin Ruad

the IRA have decommissioned

this is cooberated by the IMC, the two gov's, MI5 and G2.

incorrect - we are now at the position where "some units" have kept "some weapons" supposedly "against the wishes of the leadership" ....

as with the "disowning" does the expression "plausible deniability" ring any bells ?

Madradin Ruad

and having terrorists in governemnt would not be a punishment?

well said Aileen.

The Troll

"well this is where we disagree,From my opinion Sinn Fein are not a terrorist party, the IRA have decommissioned and disowned all criminal members."

LOL LOL LOL you are a terrorist supporter See I told you, either that or a maroon you choose which.

They decommisioned LOL LOL

Ogra

I know that you dislike Sinn Fein, so do i, but that does not mean that you or i have to right to keep them out of government without good reason. There was a good reason to keep them out before, now there isn't. They have fulfilled the requirements neccesary, bar joining the policing board, which will probably happen soon

Ogra

'LOL LOL LOL you are a terrorist supporter See I told you', well in that case the two governments and the American government are terrorist supporters, they all recognise the IMC as a credible organization and believe their respective intelligence.

'They decommisioned LOL LOL' I suppose u still think the earth is flat. The governments have said they have decommissioned, i believe them, not you, unless of course you have knowlege of some secret arms dump?

Madradin Ruad

They have fulfilled the requirements neccesary, bar joining the policing board, which will probably happen soon

the IRA have not completely decommissioned and are still involved in crime.

The people of NI don't want the 15% party to be given departmental dictatorship.

Ogra

'we are now at the position where "some units" have kept "some weapons" supposedly "against the wishes of the leadership" .... ' Well, yes, so what? the IRA have decommisioned all the weapons which they have. Renegade ex members who have kept weapons have nothing to do with this.

'"plausible deniability" ring any bells ?', it would but the IMC, have confirmed it, so why would they lie?

'and having terrorists in governemnt would not be a punishment?' Well, it could be said that the government in Northern Ireland was terrorist over the troubles, discrimination, corrupt police force, gerrymandering etc. but we won't agree on that

Ogra

'the IRA have not completely decommissioned and are still involved in crime.', they have decommisioned and the crime is not sanctioned by leadership, and has been disowned by the leaders, according to the IMC. so your above statement is factualy inaccurate

The agreement, as far as i know, is not that Sinn Fein would become dictaors, which i wold disagree with, the agreement is power sharing, what does your last statement mean?

Madradin Ruad

i believe them, not you,

What you believe is neither here nor there.

The governments have said

Governments say and do what suits them - remember the promise that SF wouldn't be in Government until the IRA decomissioned ? Decades before that - Remember the assurances that they weren't talking to the IRA ? How about the promises made to Garda McCabe's widow ? Bertie's word wasn't worth diddly ... he was going to break them.

Madradin Ruad

'the IRA have not completely decommissioned and are still involved in crime.', they have decommisioned and the crime is not sanctioned by leadership, and has been disowned by the leaders, according to the IMC. so your above statement is factualy inaccurate

Wrong. they have partially decommissioned

The agreement, as far as i know, is not that Sinn Fein would become dictaors, which i wold disagree with, the agreement is power sharing, what does your last statement mean?

it's not power sharing - it's departmental dictatorship. SF insist that any minister of theirs cannot be held to account by the Assembly - absolute power. That is crazy. We saw what they got upto last time - Martin McGuinness abolished the 11 plus against the wish of the assembly and the parents - and Ms de Brun abused her powers to benefit her constituency.

Power sharing should invlve some concensus - NOT absolute power being given to Ministers who can and would do what they like against the wishes of the members of the assembly.
The Ministers HAVE to be accountable to the
other members of the assembly.

Ogra

'What you believe is neither here nor there.' correct what the governments believe is what matters

'Governments say and do what suits them' so you are saying that they are lying?, fine, where is your evidence.

'Martin McGuinness abolished the 11 plus against the wish of the assembly and the parents' a very good idea in my book anyway, The GFA was voted for by the majority of Irish people. If ministers can make serious decision without refering to the Assembly, it would be strange, however, its not a sinn fein issue, its an issue for all parties with ministers.

well unless, you provide evidence, contradicting what is in the Public domain, we will have to agree to disagree on decomissioning

Madradin Ruad

As I said - what you think is neither here nor there. You are irrelevent to the future of NI.

If ministers can make serious decision without refering to the Assembly, it would be strange, however, its not a sinn fein issue, its an issue for all parties with ministers.

wrigle, wriggle, wriggle - It IS a SF issue as they are the party demanding that their ministers have departmental dictatorship - how is that democratic or power-sharing - when SF insist that their ministers must be unaccountable in office ?

The Troll

Hey Mad Orca is a loony!

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