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August 10, 2005

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Madradin Ruad

David - bit unfair surely ?

the car containing the bomb was parked by some republican goon from Kilwilkie

The report you link suggests it was a proxy bomb. Republicans are even more cowardly than Jihadists.

Hugh Green

Sick bastards. There is no justification whatsoever for proxy bombing. Not even in Lurgan.

David Vance

"Not even Lurgan"...what does THAT mean?

MR,

I hear it had explosive capability, whatever that means.

DaithiO

"Did you note that republicans are continuing their terror tactics..."

That's tantamount to saying that Unionists were intimidating people out of their homes on an East Belfast housing estate or petrol bombing catholic families in Ahoghill.

Your use of words misrepresents the facts. For "republicans" read - a couple of deranged individuals who want to trip up mainstream republicans and their support for the GFA.

I for one condemn such acts, as I too condemn the ongoing loylist feud that is needlessly claiming more lives.

Madradin Ruad

I'd be interested to see if David will acknowledge that proxy bombers are more cowardly than suicide bombers.

Jo

...wasnt it a taxi driver who actually was supposed to leave it at the PSNI station, but didnt - and phoned the police? I thought that was actually quite brave of him/her...

Madradin Ruad

Jo - and Ironic that the bomb ended up abandoned outside GAA premises - although sensible as it was the safest place, certainly better than beside houses.

DiathiO - "a couple" ? How about the riff-raff that attacked the police who were trying to deal with the device ? Imagine the howls if they had said - let the thing go off, it's only a sports ground.

David Vance

MR,

Great point - you expose DaithiO's unfortunate blindness to the pavlovian tendency of Lurgan republicans to attack the forces of law and order at the drop of a hat. I know this from years of observing such malignancy.

I consider ALL terrorists to be cowards - not sure that proxy bombers can be morally "more cowardly" than other terrorists.

Colm

If I may be so bold as to attempt to say what I think MR meant.

In the purely literal sense a suicide bomber is less cowardly than one who bombs others without putting himself through the blast. Less cowardly does not mean less evil though.

DaithiO

Whilst condemning ALL terrorists perhaps you could also be even handed enough to condemn ALL those who attack the PSNI/RUC.

I don't think nationalists have a monopoly on that.

David Vance

DaithiO,

Have you READ my post "The Disloyal Loyalists"? Do keep up.

Colm,

I see terrorists in terms of evil - not bravery/cowardice. It's black and white.

The Troll

I don't see why your all so upset. I mean come on its a PC bomb. The govt has decided its OK as long as it wasn't planted by a muslim right.

The peace loving SF an the disarmed IRA have to dispose of their weapons somehow. Thats what the bomb really was the SF/IRA disposing of their arms as they promised

David Gough

Don't know what that Hugh Green person means when he says 'There is no justification whatsoever for proxy bombing. Not even in Lurgan.'
Does he mean that ordinary bombing is alright, or that Lurgan is somehow a place where boming is alright. I was in Lurgan only last week and the only thing wrong with the place is the republican scum who live there.

David Vance

David Gough,

There is a rebellious republican part of the town as you point out and as for Kilwilkie estate......don't start me talking, I could talk all night..

Peter

MR and Colm, there's nothing brave about suicide bombers. They are would-be mass-murderers in each and every case. Calling them brave merely helps them recruit more to their evil cause by promoting a myth of noble self-sacrifice.

The truth is that they are religious fanatics filled with hatred and deluded by the lie of an afterlife in paradise, as a reward for their butchery.

Madradin Ruad

Peter - nobody said that suicide bombers were brave ... BUT it is beyond doubt that these republican proxy bombers are even more cowardly. Both are equally evil and will answer for their crimes to God.

Madradin Ruad

David - there are some decent people living in Kilwilkie just as there are some decent people living in Mournview. It's not right to tar all the people in these areas with the same brush.

Chris Gaskin

"David - there are some decent people living in Kilwilkie"

Correct MR

I have quite a few friends from Kilwilkie and find them to be decent people.

It's a working-class republican estate, do you expect them to greet the RUC/PSNI with open arms?

David Gough

I was also on the Crumlin Road last week and passed two police cars on the way to a murder scene. Those concerned on that particular occasion were Loyalist scum. For a province which is supposed to be at peace it certainly has a strange way of showing it.

Hugh Green

David Gough,

Some people are too sensitive. I was joking.

levee

"It's a working-class republican estate, do you expect them to greet the RUC/PSNI with open arms?"

Chris, only the Sinn Fein rule book would decide that republicans can't trust the police. Get yourself on the DPP and even things up!

Republicans have the power to change policing, but they choose to sit outside and complain. If Sinn Fein had sat on the periphery, do you think the 'peace process' would have happened?

Chris Gaskin

"Chris, only the Sinn Fein rule book would decide that republicans can't trust the police. Get yourself on the DPP and even things up!"

Not true levee, I know from the door steps that many Republicans, about 75%, would never support what the sdlp signed up to, whether Sinn Féin signed up or not.

I am one of that 75%

"If Sinn Fein had sat on the periphery, do you think the 'peace process' would have happened?"

No

David Gough

Hugh Green,

To be perfectly honest, apart from bombs, Lurgan does not appear to be the kind of place that kinda lights up at night.

Colm

Peter

I never said suicide bombers were 'brave' - If you read my comments above I just jumped in and answered a question aimed at MR in which I agreed the indisputable fact that a suicide bomber is in purely literal terms less cowardly than a 'plant it and run and hide' bomber. It wasn't a moral judgement.

The Troll

peter explain to me what is more moral about planting a bomb to kill people and running away, compared to blowing yourself up with the bomb as you kill people?

I didn't know there was a moral way of commiting terror.

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